Winder Stair Calculator (90° L-Shaped Winders)

Opening

Y
in
X
in
W
in

Steps

Z
in
F
in

Flights & turns

P
K
Q

Structure

T
in

Options

Finishes

Structure

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Treads

Natural oak

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Guide & codes

This winder stair calculator designs an L-shaped stair that turns 90° on winder treads instead of a landing. The winders fill the corner, so the stair fits in less space than an L-shaped stair with a landing, which is why quarter-turn winder stairs are so common in terraced houses, cottages and loft conversions.

Enter the total rise (Y), the run of the upper flight (X), the width (W), the steps in each flight (P and Q) and how many winders make up the turn (K). The calculator divides the 90° between the winders, checks comfort and outputs each winder tread as a separate part, with its own shape, ready to cut. With K = 3 you get the classic three-winder turn whose middle tread UK joiners call a kite winder.

When to choose this stair

Choose the 90° winder stair when there is no room for a landing: the 3 winders fill the corner and turn while climbing, so the L-shaped stair fits in less floor area. It is the most common wooden L-shaped stair in small houses, especially up to a loft or an attic.

The catch is on the newel side, where the going of each winder narrows sharply and where most trips happen. Put the handrail on the outer side, where people walk, and check the shape of each winder in the DXF, because the calculator rates comfort using the going of the straight flights.

Calculator parameters

Each dimension carries the letter used in the editor and on the drawings.

YTotal rise
default 2,600 mm · 500 to 8,000 mm
Height from the lower floor to the finished upper floor.
XTotal run
default 3,250 mm · 500 to 12,000 mm
Plan length available for the flight (on turning stairs, the upper flight).
WStair width
default 1,000 mm · 500 to 2,500 mm
Clear width of the flight.
ZTread thickness
default 50 mm · 3 to 120 mm
Thickness of the tread (board or plate).
FNosing
default 50 mm · 0 to 100 mm
How far each tread overhangs the one below.
PSteps, lower flight
default 4 · 1 to 25
Steps before the turn.
KWinder steps
default 3 · 2 to 6
Winder treads in each turn.
QSteps, upper flight
default 8 · 2 to 25
Steps after the turn, up to the top.
TStringer thickness
default 50 mm · 20 to 120 mm
Thickness of the stringer board.

How it's calculated

The total rise Y = 2,600 mm is shared between 15 risers (the 4 steps below, the 3 winders and the 8 steps above): 173.3 mm each. On the straight flights the run is 281 mm and the tread depth 331 mm.

With K = 3 winders, the 90° turn is divided into equal angles and every winder has a different shape, which is why the bill of materials lists them separately (E2, E3…) and the DXF gives each one its own sheet. With the default values the step formula is 628 mm and the pitch 31.6°: “Comfortable stair”.

If the winders become too narrow on the inside, increase K or the width W: the treads in the turn open up and the going on the walkline grows. A newel post at the inner corner carries the winder stringers, and it appears in the parts list with its own mark.

Result with the default values

Comfort verdict: Comfortable stair.

Complies with IRC / IBC

Step formula 2R + G628 mm600 – 660 mm
Tread depth331 mm≥ 280 mm
Pitch31.6°30° – 40°
Riser173 mm≤ 197 mm
Going281 mm≥ 254 mm
Clear width1,000 mm≥ 914 mm
Guarding height900 mm≥ 864 mm

Steps

Risers15 pcs
Riser height173 mm
Run (going)281 mm
Tread depth (run + nosing)331 mm
Open riser gap123 mm
Pitch31.6°
Nosing-to-nosing distance330 mm

Wood

Tread area4.587 m²
Winder tread angle30.0°

Building codes

Winders are allowed in dwellings in the US, the UK, Australia and Canada, with their own rules. Under the IRC, a winder must have at least 10 in (254 mm) of tread depth at the walkline, 12 in (305 mm) from the narrow side, and at least 6 in (152 mm) at any point. Approved Document K measures the going on the centre line when the stair is narrower than 1 m (at 270 mm from each side when it is wider) and asks for at least 50 mm at the narrow end. Commercial stairs under the IBC may not use winders. The Australian rule that limits winders to three in place of a quarter landing should be checked in the current NCC tables before relying on it.

The calculator checks comfort (2R + G, going and pitch) and the building code of the country you pick in the panel (here, IRC / IBC for a dwelling): only the limits that code sets for riser, going, 2R + G, width, pitch, risers per flight and guarding. It is for guidance only: always confirm the code in force and local rules.

Building codes by country, with sources

Parts with the default values

The DXF (AutoCAD 2007, in millimetres or inches) carries these parts with their shop marks: one dimensioned sheet per part, the general arrangement and the bill of materials with weights.

What's in the DXF
  • Z1StringerBoard 50 × 2
  • Z2Winder stringerBoard 50 × 2
  • Z3StringerBoard 50 × 2
  • E1Treadt=50 × 12
  • E2Treadt=50 × 1
  • E3Treadt=50 × 1
  • E4Treadt=50 × 1
  • P1PostTimber 100×100 × 1
  • T1Risert=20 × 12
  • B1HandrailRound timber Ø50 × 1
  • B2BalusterBatten 35×35 × 12
  • B3HandrailRound timber Ø50 × 1

Frequently asked questions

Are winder stairs legal?

Yes, in homes, as long as the winders meet the tapered-tread rules of your code: in the US a 10 in tread at the walkline and 6 in at the narrow end; in England a going measured on the centre line and at least 50 mm at the narrow end. In commercial buildings they are generally not allowed.

How many winders in a 90° turn?

Usually three, the kite-winder layout. Fewer winders make the treads very narrow on the inside; more winders take up more space. Change K and watch how the tread depth and the verdict change.

Winder stairs or a landing?

Winders save space and about one step's worth of floor area; a landing is more comfortable and safer for children and older people. With the same opening, try both calculators and compare.

What is a kite winder?

The middle tread of a three-winder quarter turn, so called because its four-sided shape looks like a kite. The treads on either side of it are triangular or tapered.