U-Shaped Winder Stair Calculator (180° Winders)

Opening

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Steps

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F
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Flights & turns

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Structure

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Options

Finishes

Structure

Natural oak

Treads

Natural oak

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Guide & codes

This U-shaped winder stair calculator designs a 180° half turn in wood with the treads of the turn fanned around a newel post instead of a landing. It takes up less floor area than a U-shaped stair with a landing and is common in houses where the stairwell is tight.

Enter the total rise (Y), the run of the upper flight (X), the width (W), the steps in each flight (P and Q) and the winders in the turn (K). The calculator divides the 180° between the winders and outputs each one as a separate part, with its shape and its mark. Not to be confused with a double winder stair, which turns twice by 90° with a straight middle flight in between: that one has its own calculator.

When to choose this stair

Choose the 180° winder stair when the stair has to make a half turn in the least possible space: the 5 winders turn around a newel post and replace the double-width landing. It is the compact stair of many houses and duplexes, and the wooden alternative to a spiral when you would rather have straight flights.

A winding half turn is the hardest on the going: next to the newel the treads almost disappear. That is why a wide stair (W = 1,000 mm or more) and a handrail on the outer side are advisable. If a landing fits, the U-shaped stair with a landing is more comfortable; if even less space is available, look at the spiral.

Calculator parameters

Each dimension carries the letter used in the editor and on the drawings.

YTotal rise
default 2,600 mm · 500 to 8,000 mm
Height from the lower floor to the finished upper floor.
XTotal run
default 2,400 mm · 500 to 12,000 mm
Plan length available for the flight (on turning stairs, the upper flight).
WStair width
default 1,000 mm · 500 to 2,500 mm
Clear width of the flight.
ZTread thickness
default 50 mm · 3 to 120 mm
Thickness of the tread (board or plate).
FNosing
default 50 mm · 0 to 100 mm
How far each tread overhangs the one below.
PSteps, lower flight
default 5 · 1 to 25
Steps before the turn.
KWinder steps
default 5 · 3 to 10
Winder treads in each turn.
QSteps, upper flight
default 5 · 2 to 25
Steps after the turn, up to the top.
TStringer thickness
default 50 mm · 20 to 120 mm
Thickness of the stringer board.

How it's calculated

The total rise Y = 2,600 mm is shared between 15 risers (5 below, 5 winders and 5 above): 173.3 mm per step. On the straight flights the run is 280 mm and the tread depth 330 mm.

The 5 winders share the 180° turn around the central newel; each has a different shape, so they appear separately in the bill of materials and in the DXF. Step formula: 627 mm; pitch: 31.8°; verdict: “Comfortable stair”.

If the pitch falls below 30°, the stair is shallow and makes the climb longer than necessary: shorten X or add steps, as the Summary panel suggests.

Result with the default values

Comfort verdict: Comfortable stair.

Complies with IRC / IBC

Step formula 2R + G627 mm600 – 660 mm
Tread depth330 mm≥ 280 mm
Pitch31.8°30° – 40°
Riser173 mm≤ 197 mm
Going280 mm≥ 254 mm
Clear width1,000 mm≥ 914 mm
Guarding height900 mm≥ 864 mm

Steps

Risers15 pcs
Riser height173 mm
Run (going)280 mm
Tread depth (run + nosing)330 mm
Open riser gap123 mm
Pitch31.8°
Nosing-to-nosing distance329 mm

Wood

Tread area4.992 m²
Winder tread angle36.0°

Building codes

The winder rules are the same as on a quarter turn: at least 10 in (254 mm) of tread at the walkline and 6 in (152 mm) at any point under the IRC, and at least 50 mm at the narrow end under Approved Document K. On a 180° turn the treads next to the newel are the critical ones, so check them on the winder sheets of the drawings.

The calculator checks comfort (2R + G, going and pitch) and the building code of the country you pick in the panel (here, IRC / IBC for a dwelling): only the limits that code sets for riser, going, 2R + G, width, pitch, risers per flight and guarding. It is for guidance only: always confirm the code in force and local rules.

Building codes by country, with sources

Parts with the default values

The DXF (AutoCAD 2007, in millimetres or inches) carries these parts with their shop marks: one dimensioned sheet per part, the general arrangement and the bill of materials with weights.

What's in the DXF
  • Z1StringerBoard 50 × 2
  • Z2Winder stringerBoard 50 × 2
  • Z3Winder stringerBoard 50 × 1
  • Z4StringerBoard 50 × 2
  • E1Treadt=50 × 10
  • E2Treadt=50 × 1
  • E3Treadt=50 × 1
  • E4Treadt=50 × 1
  • E5Treadt=50 × 1
  • E6Treadt=50 × 1
  • P1PostTimber 100×100 × 1
  • T1Risert=20 × 10
  • B1HandrailRound timber Ø50 × 2
  • B2BalusterBatten 35×35 × 10

Frequently asked questions

What is a U-shaped winder stair?

A half-turn stair without a landing: the 180° turn is made with winder treads that share the angle around a newel post. It is also called a half-turn winder stair or a 180-degree winder stair.

How many winders in a 180° turn?

Usually between five and seven. With fewer, the treads are very narrow next to the newel; with more, the stair takes up more space. Change K and watch the tread depth and the verdict.

Are 180° winders comfortable?

They are if the going on the walkline is close to that of the straight flights and the riser height stays constant. The weak spot is the newel side, where the treads are narrow, so people tend to use the middle or the wide side.